Man, Courtney beat me to it, as I was just reading this thread.
Get better about hiring outsiders into other C level roles, seriously think twice about a COO without significant airline experience.
That's it; that's the guideline.
KJB
On Mon, May 29, 2023, 10:05 <bobnet@googlegroups.com> wrote:
- CF: Delta hires new COO - Mike Spanos - 4 Updates
- New long haul from Buenos Aires downtown airport - 2 Updates
- Envoy to retire its last E145 - 2 Updates
- UAL2739/N401UA filed a flight plan ORD -> TUP - 1 Update
Dan Webb <dan.c.webb@gmail.com>: May 29 05:43AM -0700
I think it's completely fair to say that airlines can be too insular.
At the same time, DL has gone external for a fair number of senior roles
(CFO, Chief Health Officer, Chief Strategy Officer, President of
International) over the past couple of years. The jury is still out, but
I'm not sure how successful it's been.
On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 14:49 Jonathon Nield <jonathon.nield@gmail.com>
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Holly Hegeman <hhegeman@planebusiness.com>: May 29 12:45PM
Agree. This hits me the same way all those other hires did.
-Holly
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On May 29, 2023, at 7:43 AM, Dan Webb <dan.c.webb@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it's completely fair to say that airlines can be too insular.
At the same time, DL has gone external for a fair number of senior roles (CFO, Chief Health Officer, Chief Strategy Officer, President of International) over the past couple of years. The jury is still out, but I'm not sure how successful it's been.
On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 14:49 Jonathon Nield <jonathon.nield@gmail.com<mailto:jonathon.nield@gmail.com>> wrote:
Following up on Michael's point, one of the challenges of the airline industry is its stubborn overvaluation of airline experience and undervaluation of an outside perspective. I know firsthand how unique the airline industry is, but there are so many best practices that are happening in other industries that airlines are blind to or don't know how to implement, due to this bias for airline experience. No, I'm not saying airline experience isn't important, but rather, there could be a much better cross-pollination of ideas if this bias was diluted and the old silo broken up.
Jonathon Nield
On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 2:39 PM Michael Leung <flyunited1979@gmail.com<mailto:flyunited1979@gmail.com>> wrote:
Curious about how this group reacted to Oscar Munoz when he became CEO of United with no direct airline experience (though he was on the Board).
On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 2:27 PM Rebekah M <justanotherairlinechick@gmail.com<mailto:justanotherairlinechick@gmail.com>> wrote:
So 25+ years at DL in TOC and ops is apparently worth less than selling sugar water…
On May 26, 2023, at 2:54 PM, Jeff Coons <coons.jeff@gmail.com<mailto:coons.jeff@gmail.com>> wrote:
It's getting there - albeit very, very slowly - what's that phrase about turning aircraft carriers and momentum?
I'd love to know what country club Ed knows this guy from. Although it could be the only requirement was to get along with Glen.
On May 26, 2023, at 12:37 AM, Eric Olesen <efolesen@gmail.com<mailto:efolesen@gmail.com>> wrote:
If Delta turns into a clown show, we'll know that Six Flags experience helped.
E
On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 1:38 PM Holly Hegeman <hhegeman@planebusiness.com<mailto:hhegeman@planebusiness.com>> wrote:
This kind of reminds me of when American hired a new VP of Global Marketing a few years ago. Her main responsibility at Pepsi CO previously had been to monitor in-store marketing and product placement for Pepsi and Frito-Lay.
Her subsequent performance was indicative of her prior experience.
-Holly
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Subject: Re: CF: Delta hires new COO - Mike Spanos
But what "integration" challenges exist at DL now?
What DL suffers from now - at least from the pax perspective - is inconsistency. This needs to be a focus.
Henry
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On Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 10:36, 'Michael Miller' via Bobnet <bobnet@googlegroups.com<mailto:bobnet@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
Releases are purposely with these types of hires. If the core message DL focuses on is that he "will enhance and accelerate the integration across our operational, customer experience and technology teams…"
Then it's to focus on integration and not on operations. My two cents.
MM
On May 24, 2023, at 11:32 AM, Jeff Coons <coons.jeff@gmail.com<mailto:coons.jeff@gmail.com>> wrote:
Coming up on three years since Delta's last COO, Gil West, left the position has sat empty and Delta's operation has suffered for it. Gone are the days of "Cancelling cancellations" and record on time performance.
Spanos comes with a lifetime of work at PepsiCo followed by a couple of years at Six Flags. Not sure I see the draw here.
https://news.delta.com/mike-spanos-join-delta-chief-operating-officer
Delta has named Mike Spanos as Chief Operating Officer and the newest member of the Delta Leadership Committee, effective June 12.
"The experience and perspective Mike brings to Delta will enhance and accelerate the integration across our operational, customer experience and technology teams, aligning them to deliver an unsurpassed product and service for our customers and our employees," Delta CEO Ed Bastian said in a memo to employees Tuesday.
"The Delta people are the best in the business," Spanos said. "I'm looking forward to getting started, visiting the operation and rolling up my sleeves to enable our team to do what they do every day: run the world's best airline for our customers."
Spanos brings to Delta deep experience in frontline leadership, strategy, operations and a global perspective earned throughout his career. "Mike shares our values of servant leadership and always putting people first," said Bastian.
Spanos spent more than 25 years in a variety of leadership roles at PepsiCo and the Pepsi Bottling Group including:
* Regional executive roles across the U.S., Turkey, China, Asia, the Middle East and North Africa.
* President and CEO titles at PepsiCo International sectors.
* Chief Customer Officer of Pepsi Beverages North America.
* Leading sales and operations across U.S. and international locations for Pepsi Bottling Group.
Most recently, Spanos was President and CEO at Six Flags Entertainment, where he guided the company through the pandemic and a digital and customer-focused transformation.
A veteran of the U.S. Marines, Spanos led Marine units during numerous deployments, including in Desert Shield/Storm and as the senior instructor at the Field Artillery Officer Basic Course. He is a graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy.
Spanos' first day at Delta will be on June 12. E.V.P. and Chief Customer Experience Officer Allison Ausband and E.V.P. and Chief of Operations John Laughter will report to Spanos, who will report directly to Bastian.
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Courtney Miller <aeprojectmanager@gmail.com>: May 29 07:57AM -0500
The "O" matters. Operations is what separates an airline from an airplane
museum. I'd be more forgiving of an outsider from Pepsico and Six Flags
coming in as CEO than as COO. Outside perspectives are important, but so
is deep domain knowledge and experience. I would argue operations would be
the one area most heavily weighted to the latter (*maybe* TechOps?).
Fun fact: They usually sell Pepsi at airplane museums.
Courtney
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Eric Olesen <efolesen@gmail.com>: May 29 11:29AM -0500
I don't think hiring industry outsiders is a bad idea. As Court said, it's
the context of their experience that matters.
Oscar Munoz as a railroad guy did fairly well with United. Linda Jojo as a
telecom person did fine as our CIO. We have a bunch of ex-GE folks who
came over to United IT via chain migration, and I have to say they've all
picked up the airline domain pretty damn well.
Then there's Andrew Levy with his prior airline experience being hired as
United's CFO. That's still up for debate with some of us as to its success.
E
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Karl Swartz <gcmap360@gmail.com>: May 29 01:15AM -0700
I just now saw this message. Sorry, too many balls in the air.
6,890 ft (2,100 m) was from old DAFIF data. I started work on importing data from AIP Argentina a few years ago but ... SQUIRREL! ... and that effort stalled. The format for AIP data is sort-of standardized but each country has its own quirks (and a few are just plain wrong) so pulling this data into GCmap is a major project.
In lieu of that, I manually transcribed the latest data for SABE (AEP) and it's now live on gcmap.com. That data says the runway is now 7,710 ft (2,350 m) long. Dunno where Simpleton Flying came up with their number but it does not appear to be correct.
-- Karl
Mark Ahasic <mahasic@gmail.com>: May 29 11:09AM -0400
I flew down to AEP with the tape measure and measured the runway. It looks like it's now ~8,800 ft. A few years ago, it was LGA length: ~6,900 ft.
The before and after aerials show how the airfield was expanded.
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I just now saw this message. Sorry, too many balls in the air.
6,890 ft (2,100 m) was from old DAFIF data. I started work on importing data from AIP Argentina a few years ago but ... SQUIRREL! ... and that effort stalled. The format for AIP data is sort-of standardized but each country has its own quirks (and a few are just plain wrong) so pulling this data into GCmap is a major project.
In lieu of that, I manually transcribed the latest data for SABE (AEP) and it's now live on gcmap.com. That data says the runway is now 7,710 ft (2,350 m) long. Dunno where Simpleton Flying came up with their number but it does not appear to be correct.
-- Karl
On May 13, 2023, at 1:22 PM, 'Michael Miller' via Bobnet <bobnet@googlegroups.com> wrote:
GCM lists the runway at Buenos Aires Aeroparque at 6,890 ft but this article says it's been enlarged to 8,530 (2600 m). Maybe Karl can confirm. That's still limited for a fully loaded A330 but it changes the competitive options for the country.
MM
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Aerolíneas Argentinas To Operate Long Haul Flights From Aeroparque Jorge Newbery
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Dan Webb <dan.c.webb@gmail.com>: May 29 04:44AM -0700
I remember reading that some of these are getting transferred to Piedmont.
(Good for me in the short-term at least, as a semi-regular visitor to SBY!)
On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 06:38 'Michael Miller' via Bobnet <
Courtney Miller <aeprojectmanager@gmail.com>: May 29 07:23AM -0500
Yeah, these aren't retired from AA. They're retired from Envoy.
But, like I tell a lot of people who complain about whatever is the
smallest aircraft in the fleet - you can always drive. Pretty soon, you'll
have to.
Karl Swartz <gcmap360@gmail.com>: May 29 01:33AM -0700
N401UA was UA's first A320. It first flew on 7 September 1993 and delivered on 24 November 1993; dunno where you got July 1993. I chronicled its last 30 days of service at
http://www.gcmap.com/featured/20230514 <http://www.gcmap.com/featured/20230514>
My first flight on an A320 (and my second on any Airbus) was on 27 December 1994, UA 149 ORD-SFO in 1A, aboard none other than N401UA.
My first flight on any Airbus was on 16 July 1991, PA 481 LAX-SFO aboard N216PA "Clipper Houston" which was an A300B4-203. That remains my only flight on a twin-aisle Airbus.
Despite my dislike for the A320 family, I've logged 69 flights on them, including the A318, A319, A320, and A321. (Just one on an A318, and two on an A321.)
-- Karl
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